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  The paranormal.

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know that a lot of the people on here have turned their backs on the idea of a deity deciding that god does not exist.

  but what about the unseen spirit world generally such as poltergeists, jinns, voodoo, etc.

  if you have become agnostic, atheist, or just don't care since leaving, do you think that there are spirits out there or have you decided that is also hokum?

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  Bungi Bill

  Just because you cannot explain it and instead leap to "it must be magic" doesn't mean it's magic.

  That might be a valid point - except at no stage did I make any claims about it being "magic".

  I would sure like to know what it was, though!
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  The paranormal.

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know that a lot of the people on here have turned their backs on the idea of a deity deciding that god does not exist.

  but what about the unseen spirit world generally such as poltergeists, jinns, voodoo, etc.

  if you have become agnostic, atheist, or just don't care since leaving, do you think that there are spirits out there or have you decided that is also hokum?

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  Bungi Bill

  While living in Papua New Guinea, I did observe a number of happenings that cannot be explained by science. These weren't anything to do with poltergeists, witches, ghosts etc - but rather come under the heading of what might be termed "Extra-Sensory Perception" (ESP).

  In particular, the easy ability of so many of its people to locate missing objects was rather awe-inspiring.

  I could go on at length, but one example stood out amongst many others. That happened one Friday afternoon, when I arrived home from carrying out an inspection of the two hydro-electric plants, and discovered that my keys were missing. (I used to carry my key-ring on a Karabiner clip attached to my belt).

  The obvious place to look for missing keys is under, around or on top of the car seat - but a thorough search of those places revealed nothing. So I then retraced my steps of where I had been that afternoon, beginning with the lower power station. When that proved unsuccessful, the station staff alerted the upper power station over the VHF Radio Network that I was on my way up to them.

  On arrival at the top hydro plant, its security guard went straight for my vehicle (a double cab Toyota Hilux 4WD), opened the rear right hand door, reached behind the rear seat, and produced my keys. (Just in case you are wondering, I was the vehicle's only occupant throughout that afternoon, and had never even sat in the rear seat!) The road between the two hydro stations had a very steep section, which could only be negotiated using Four Wheel Drive, and its surface was extremely rough (rough enough to "shake the fillings loose from your teeth!"). What had happened was that after the clip broke from my belt, the key ring hit the floor and was then shaken, bounced and tumbled both backwards and upwards until it lodged itself behind the rear seat.

  The most uncanny thing of all about this was that the security guard said he knew immediately where the key ring was, as soon as he overheard the radio call.

  I am open to suggestions, bu this and similar events in PNG have left me seriously wondering about Extra Sensory Perception!
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  A Cult Tactic: Removing Guilt By Dehumanising Others

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the real world, very few parents would disown their own children simply because they read a magazine that told them to do it.

  very few people would forever completely ignore their own parents because an elder got up on a platform one day and announced that they no longer follow the same religion as you.. in the real world it just doesn't happen.

  and yet, for 8 million jehovah's witnesses it's very a normal part of their world to treat "other people" differently than they'd treat each other.

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  Bungi Bill

  Diogenesister,

  Very well summed up!
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  1975—Were You Affected By What 1975 Was Supposed to Bring?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for years , we were told to wait until 1975!.

  the end was coming and we better be ready—or else!.

  were you around during this “momentous “ time??

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  Bungi Bill

  Hi Zeb,

  The bloody bastards thought they had that one covered, too.

  An extract from the Watchtower of 15th August 1968 ("Why are you looking forward to 1975?") stated:

  This is not the time to be toying with the words of Jesus that "concerning that day and hour nobody knows , neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matt. 24:36)

  Oh yeah, those that didn't swallow Crazy Fred's story about 1975 were indeed conspicuous by their silence during those years!
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  1975—Were You Affected By What 1975 Was Supposed to Bring?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for years , we were told to wait until 1975!.

  the end was coming and we better be ready—or else!.

  were you around during this “momentous “ time??

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  Bungi Bill

  it was 1975 that got the ball rolling

  That pretty much sums up my experience, too!
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  1975—Were You Affected By What 1975 Was Supposed to Bring?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for years , we were told to wait until 1975!.

  the end was coming and we better be ready—or else!.

  were you around during this “momentous “ time??

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  Bungi Bill

  Those who didn’t fall for Crazy Fred’s story about 1975 were certainly conspicuous by their silence during the years leading up to it. I don’t recall ever hearing anybody voice any doubts about the WTS official line on that date.
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  Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

  the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

  daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

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  Bungi Bill

  In other words the number of wars fought between the "King of the North and King of the South", as described in the bible book of Daniel, differs significantly from the actual number that were fought between the Greek dynasties in Syria and Egypt.

  I guess that's what happens when you are dealing with a collection of Middle Eastern fairy tales!
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  Thirteen Counties Where Apostasy is a Capital Offense..

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  you gotta wonder just how well jws are doing in "fulfilling their commission" in afghanistan, iran, malaysia, maldives, mauritania, nigeria, pakistan, qatar, saudi arabia, somalia, sudan, united arab emirates and yemen.

  https://www.indy100.com/article/the-countries-where-apostasy-is-punishable-by-death--z110j2uwxb.

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  Bungi Bill

  The Malaysian JW I knew reckoned you could always tell before entering a property whether or not a Muslim lived there. It sounded like the JWs in Malaysia go through the motions of carrying out a door-to-door campaign - but a very selective one!
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  Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

  the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

  daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

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  Bungi Bill

  there was no third war

  But I thought there were a total of six wars fought between the Ptolemaic and Seleucid dynasties, not two? Collectively, these are known to historians as the "Syrian Wars", and took place between 274 and 168 BC.
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  Thirteen Counties Where Apostasy is a Capital Offense..

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  you gotta wonder just how well jws are doing in "fulfilling their commission" in afghanistan, iran, malaysia, maldives, mauritania, nigeria, pakistan, qatar, saudi arabia, somalia, sudan, united arab emirates and yemen.

  https://www.indy100.com/article/the-countries-where-apostasy-is-punishable-by-death--z110j2uwxb.

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  Bungi Bill

  A JW from Malaysia once told me that were they to even attempt to witness to just one Muslim person, the JWs would be banned from that country.

  Instead, the Malaysian JWs focus on the Buddhist, Hindu and Christian elements of the population. And, as others here have correctly guessed, most of the "converts" have come from the Christian population.

  (The majority of Malaysia's population is made up of the indigenous Malays, who are Muslim by religion. Chinese make up a large minority, most of whom are Buddhists. The other principal group are those whose ancestors came from what was then British India - the modern day countries of India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Their religions are Hinduism, Islam - and to a lesser extent, Christianity).